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Mar. 18th, 2007

03:02 pm - And the Answer is....

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Ok, ok, I can't wait for someone to answer the question from the previous post, so I'll answer it myself. The answer is "no one". That means I'm on Jesus' side.

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From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 19th, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC)

"The bigger picture"

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A different perspective on all this: [1] we all came here to honor our Agreements made on a soul level...[2] 9/11 and the war reflects our nation's shadow or collective dark side [3]we can use the "Law of Attraction" to visualize the type of world we desire.....eg.: visualize grand Abundance, spiritual architecture, beauty abounding, people assisting others with Unconditional Love, the honoring of differences in race, gender, political ideations, religion, etc.

When each individual on this planet can master all of the various Energies [eg.: resentment, bitterness, hate, "us versus them consciousness", separateness, fear]------THEN! voila! a whole new world! There are some interesting ways to accomplish this. One can write down on a piece of paper every morning all of the dark side or shadow side they have observed in themselves or have seen reflected in the way others have treated them,...then: breathe these in, embrace them and integrate them as if they are old friends coming home. Then visualize them in white light and violet fire. See these energies as being transformed into their opposite [whatever that feels like to YOU] and then send THAT out as you breathe out. Then: burn the paper. This is an amazing process that I have been using and it has brought great balance and healing. When we take responsibility for our Shadow side, then others do not have to reflect it back to us!!!!!!!! Yahoooo!!!!

Another thing: Sit on your perch as an observer to all that transpires in your life and in the world. Watch it, without getting into the "drama"......
In other words: "change your perspective, and everything changes"

THanks for listening....blessed' BE to all you dear ones, and lots of love to all from Monica

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From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 19th, 2007 07:33 pm (UTC)

Re: "The bigger picture"

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Thanks for the reminder, Monica. Sometimes I just like to rant. But, I'm fully aware of what makes the real changes in this world.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 23rd, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
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Darlene, this is what I would say about Jesus, vis a vis your question. I don't pretend to understand everything that He was about, and I can't wrap my mind around it all--something that frustrates me and makes me glad at the same time. I would not want a God I completely comprehended.

But one thing we do know about Jesus. He lived in a particular historical setting, in a particular religious and political climate, and we can look at what he made of it, or didn't make of it.

As the realization grew that this Jesus of Nazareth was going around making messianic claims, he went from being a harmless wandering rabbi to being a problem in the eyes of the people in power.

The problem was that people believed that when the messiah came, he would certainly deal with the Roman occupation of the Jews' God-given land. Failed messiah wannabes had made failed attempts in the past. But the Jews hoped and prayed for the day when the promised real messiah would come and deliver them from the Roman occupation, among other hopes.

Now Jesus came along, making messianic claims, and this gradually began to put pressure on the political/religious situation. While every day Jews felt the Roman occupation was inherently a blasphemous and degrading form of captivity, many powerful Jewish leaders tended to feel pragmatically that as long as Rome kept its hands off the Temple, pacification was the best policy and needless unpleasantness, and brutal violence, could be avoided. Rome, for its part, rewarded Jewish leaders for their cooperation in keeping the common people in line.

Still, clashes would erupt. There was too much inherent conflict, not least of all because Caesar expected his subjects to worship him as a god. My understanding is that the Jews were given something of a pass in this department as a nod to their monotheism, but in practice it didn't always work out. Some Jewish "zealots" engaged in guerrilla-style violence. Any uprising would be promptly and brutally put down by the Roman army, which in turn bred deeper resentment.

The situation was highly charged religiously and politically.

As Jesus influence with the common people grew, so did the perception that his claimed messiahship would inevitably mean an attempted coup. And the powers of the day decided the situation had to stop. So events unfolded as they did, with the Jewish leaders holding a trial for blasphemy in which Jesus was convicted of claiming to be God, leading directly to his execution. Jesus had arrived in Jerusalem at a key moment for all this--he was not unaware of how things stood or where they would lead. He was participating in a different set of story lines than the military coup story line. One of his story lines was the one about the passover lamb.

He could have led a revolt and he chose not to. It wasn't part of his plan, seemingly. His plan was bigger, different, radical. It was such a departure from his followers' assumptions, that even those closest to him, his family and friends and closest disciples, didn't fully grasp the different storyline Jesus was offering-- until after the resurrection.

This doesn't go all the way to "proving" what Jesus would think about any given war or uses of force, and devout and thoughtful Christians are aware of Jesus' life and times and believe different ways about pacifism.

But Jesus's non-violence in the face of a fairly oppressive and occasionally brutal regime is certainly something to chew on and be inspired by.

Hugs to you and your family! Love, Kathy T
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 23rd, 2007 10:02 pm (UTC)
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Thanks, Kathy, for the thoughtful response. It's something to think about.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 23rd, 2007 11:44 pm (UTC)
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Thanks, Kathy, for the thoughtful response. It's something to think about. I hope more people will comment as well.
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